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So you think its good game design to empty players pockets through annoying and over priced gold sinks? So that when I go back to town to repair, I am unable to due to the imbalanced amount of gold sinks?
I recall you being an old school poster, and you are continuing to post idiotic statements concerning gold.
Why can't you just admit that gold as a currency in D3 is a idiotic idea?
Look dude, I can see you're pretty close to this subject, but I think the idea has merit.
First, game gold actually had a value in the game. 2MM game gold went for 2fg. Everything has a value, and it is just arbitrary which of the types Blizzard uses. If they make the game based on dog turds, then that is where everyone would have to go. What they call it is irrelevant, so long as it is rare, and balanced with the way the game is played.
I am telling you that game gold CAN be balanced, and therefore have value. I don't care if gold, HRs (high runes), or dog turds actually becomes the foundation, but ANY currency will suffice, but there only needs to be ONE, and gold is as good as any. The problem you are commenting on is that in D2, everyone could rack up billions of gold if they wanted to, and in the end, it was literally useless. Now, game gold can absolutely, positively, perform the function of a viable currency. It is just a matter of will and design. Game gold DOES NOT HAVE TO FAIL AS A CURRENCY. Your argument against this is simply a RELIC of D2.|||you know...
Because you can trade gold for real money and real money for gold ensures that gold will always have a value.
Simple
X item is cheaper on gold AH, buy gold and then buy that.
if it's cheaper on RMAH sell gold and buy it there.
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Sorry for bad english.
My solution:
All items in auction house can be bought or sold ONLY with in-game gold.
Player can trade gold in AH for real money.
PROS
Players dont need to spend real money to bid in AH
Players who want spend real money to bid, can buy in-game gold with cash from other players.
Third sites are penalized because players can trade items with in-game gold and purchase it (gold) in
battlenet AH directly.
this is already exactly how it works.|||
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you know...
Because you can trade gold for real money and real money for gold ensures that gold will always have a value.
Simple
X item is cheaper on gold AH, buy gold and then buy that.
if it's cheaper on RMAH sell gold and buy it there.
Why sell an unique item in gold AH ?
In RMAH i earn real money to buy items, to buy gold, to buy milk and cigarettes...
All players will prefer sell item in RMAH.|||
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this is already exactly how it works.
NO
now u can buy directly items for real money.
If i accumulate 3 billions gold and nobody want to buy my gold i will force to use real money to bid|||
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NO
now u can buy directly items for real money.
If i accumulate 3 billions gold and nobody want to buy my gold i will force to use real money to bid
so you just make a problem we don't know exist and what to fix it before we know it exists?
nice man...
there is still no issue.|||
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NO
now u can buy directly items for real money.
If i accumulate 3 billions gold and nobody want to buy my gold i will force to use real money to bid
you seem to forget one thing, if what i read is right, you can sell the items you find for real money with no posting fee X times a week, so you'll still be able to make real money currency in-game without having to pay.|||Prevention!
I dont see any future problems with my solution
on the contrary with implemented system can will be problems. I'm sure ? No, but why to risk ?|||
People who don't want to spend real money won't. They'll use the gold-only AH. There's a lot of those people too.|||
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Now the system is :
All best items will be in RMAH.
Nobody will buy gold because cant spend it in RMAH, and because can spend real money to buy directly from RMAH.
Normal AH will be useless.
In-game gold will be useless.
Players are forced to spend real money to bid in RMAH.
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Sorry for bad english.
My solution:
All items in auction house can be bought or sold ONLY with in-game gold.
Player can trade gold in AH for real money.
PROS
Players dont need to spend real money to bid in AH
Players who want spend real money to bid, can buy in-game gold with cash from other players.
Third sites are penalized because players can trade items with in-game gold and purchase it (gold) in
battlenet AH directly.
I agree with your solution, but not with the reasoning behind it. I've been trying to gain support for the idea of one single AH since the beta press event.
For me, it seems too complicated for the game to have two separate Auction Houses. We will have to search both, calculate the current exchange rate, then decide which AH has the best deal for the item we're looking for. I thought Blizzard didn't like players having to bust out a calculator?
The only con with this idea is that the number of transactions with real money will drastically decrease. Players will buy gold every once in awhile only, most likely. This means Blizzard will bring in much less income on AH fees, so there is no way the idea will be implemented.
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Look dude, I can see you're pretty close to this subject, but I think the idea has merit.
First, game gold actually had a value in the game. 2MM game gold went for 2fg. Everything has a value, and it is just arbitrary which of the types Blizzard uses. If they make the game based on dog turds, then that is where everyone would have to go. What they call it is irrelevant, so long as it is rare, and balanced with the way the game is played.
I am telling you that game gold CAN be balanced, and therefore have value. I don't care if gold, HRs (high runes), or dog turds actually becomes the foundation, but ANY currency will suffice, but there only needs to be ONE, and gold is as good as any. The problem you are commenting on is that in D2, everyone could rack up billions of gold if they wanted to, and in the end, it was literally useless. Now, game gold can absolutely, positively, perform the function of a viable currency. It is just a matter of will and design. Game gold DOES NOT HAVE TO FAIL AS A CURRENCY. Your argument against this is simply a RELIC of D2.
I have never disagreed that gold couldnt be balanced or couldnt be currency. My gripe has always been that it does not need to be, and that they shouldn't bother attempting to do it. The necessary requirements to do so would ruin the feel of diablo, or just make the game extremely annoying and unfun.
That has ALWAYS been my argument.
Also, it is hardly a relic...i have made my judgments based on the gameplay models shown for D3. I pieced together the missing info from gameplay in D2, just like they used frog DNA to fill the gaps in Dino DNA in Jurassic park...its perfectly acceptable when theorizing.
And one more thing..concerning the worth of gold in comparison to FG....that is merely a convenience charge. Gold is worthless, but people's time is not. It takes a considerable amount of time to farm max gold...therefore, people have valued that specific amount of time to be worth 2fg. That is all.
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I agree with your solution, but not with the reasoning behind it. I've been trying to gain support for the idea of one single AH since the beta press event.
For me, it seems too complicated for the game to have two separate Auction Houses. We will have to search both, calculate the current exchange rate, then decide which AH has the best deal for the item we're looking for. I thought Blizzard didn't like players having to bust out a calculator?
The only con with this idea is that the number of transactions with real money will drastically decrease. Players will buy gold every once in awhile only, most likely. This means Blizzard will bring in much less income on AH fees, so there is no way the idea will be implemented.
If in a RMAH players can buy only in-game gold for real money i'm sure that transactions will increase and Blizzard will be happy with its AH fees. With in-game gold u can do more things than a single item|||
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If in a RMAH players can buy only in-game gold for real money i'm sure that transactions will increase and Blizzard will be happy with its AH fees. With in-game gold u can do more things than a single item
you can farm in-game gold tho... 3rd party selling site werent selling gold, they were selling items, and people were buying items from them... if they wanted gold, they'd just log in their sorc or w/e and do 4-5 run, or actually just ask someone to give them gold.|||
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you can farm in-game gold tho... 3rd party selling site werent selling gold, they were selling items, and people were buying items from them... if they wanted gold, they'd just log in their sorc or w/e and do 4-5 run, or actually just ask someone to give them gold.
Now 3rd party selling site sell directly in RMAH. What change ?
That all players are forced to use real money to bid in RMAH and in-game gold will be useless like diablo 2|||
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Now 3rd party selling site sell directly in RMAH. What change ?
That all players are forced to use real money to bid in RMAH and in-game gold will be useless like diablo 2
that we players benefit from it instead of only 3rd party sites.
Also assuming gold will be useless just because it was in d2 just makes you look retarded.
and I'm serious.
yes it might be useless, but blizzard has actually decided to give gold value and have balanced it around gold sinks.
D2 had nothing except repair.
once again you just create problem that doesn't exist and demands them to fix it.
No.. just no...|||
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Now 3rd party selling site sell directly in RMAH. What change ?
That all players are forced to use real money to bid in RMAH and in-game gold will be useless like diablo 2
and where's the problem? as i've said above, just sell the items you find for real money and you'll have real money too.. you dont absolutly need to spend your money to get the currency
in other words, yes... 3rd party sites might A)sell thru AH or B)make sites with even cheaper items... but hey, YOU can sell thru that same AH too and make the same money those 3rd party makes... so yeah, YOU can farm your ass off to get tons of items and become your own ''3rd party site'' legally.
Edit: and btw, blizzard said somewhere IIRC that you wont be able to add EVERY items to the RMAH... so gold will still have a value no matter what|||
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and where's the problem? as i've said above, just sell the items you find for real money and you'll have real money too.. you dont absolutly need to spend your money to get the currency
in other words, yes... 3rd party sites might A)sell thru AH or B)make sites with even cheaper items... but hey, YOU can sell thru that same AH too and make the same money those 3rd party makes... so yeah, YOU can farm your ass off to get tons of items and become your own ''3rd party site'' legally.
Edit: and btw, blizzard said somewhere IIRC that you wont be able to add EVERY items to the RMAH... so gold will still have a value no matter what
This is a good news, because my fear is that normal AH will be empty and all players prefer sell items in RMAH.|||
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that we players benefit from it instead of only 3rd party sites.
Also assuming gold will be useless just because it was in d2 just makes you look retarded.
and I'm serious.
yes it might be useless, but blizzard has actually decided to give gold value and have balanced it around gold sinks.
D2 had nothing except repair.
once again you just create problem that doesn't exist and demands them to fix it.
No.. just no...
stating near idiotic statements like, "[if they] actually decided to give gold value and have balanced it around gold sinks" makes you look like a 5 year old idiot.
That statement is clearly the most idiotic thing someone could say.
How about you explain how gold sinks will stop gold inflation? Rather than just look like a tool by stating you believe in blizzard. Go ahead...how will gold sinks affect ANYTHING.
Let me point out. If you make gold sinks too costly, then players will return to town and their characters would be frozen. LOCKED. with no opportunity to continue with the game. Have you not thought of that? are you that stupid? Seriously?
Also, try explaining to me the difference between gold in D2 and gold in D3, without some benign comment like, "it will have value derp" ... what value? Gold in D2 had value..we just went over that. The problem is, it will not have enough value. Once player power reaches a specific spot, repair bills will drop. Once players find a safe farming location, death penalties will stop. The rest of the gold sinks are 100% optional.
Seriously...the intelligence in this forum is so freaking low, that it makes me want to shoot myself.|||
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so you just make a problem we don't know exist and what to fix it before we know it exists?
nice man...
there is still no issue.
My issue with the system is that there are two separate economies basically. Sure they are intrinsically tied together by the exchange rate. But when you look for an item, you have to search both Auction Houses, calculate the exchange rate, and then choose the best deal.
Can't you see that this is an issue?
Aside from Blizzard losing some fee income, can you tell me one con with simplifying the AH system into one single gold-based AH that allows purchasing/selling of gold only (not items) for real money. It is the same result, but in a much more efficient form.
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