So, why do YOU think that bots will / will not be prevalent in D3? What can be done to stop them? What kind of game mechanics do you think Blizzard will use to prevent botting?
Use this thread to discuss botting effects on D3 to your heart's content.|||Well, bot will be put in game eventually, you just need to get them used to reading either color pallet/packet type/or generated block configurations.
Uneducated people who don't think there will be bots until battle.net 2's client is reverse engineered, which is wrong. Bot can be built to stay outside of the Bnet2 client and operate in its own separate virtual shell. Many of Diablo 2's current bots work the exact same way. However now people will build more advanced bots then D2's, I imagine they will spend time and effort into completely packet driven bots, it allows for much more efficient botting versus the coordinate recognition system the current bots are capable of.
Every day, bots become more human, I have yet to see a definitive answer.|||Those that think thats will never happen aren't really putting a lot of thought into it.
There were bots on WoW, for example. I remember seeing bots that ran around spelling out advertisements with their character models, and even flew in the sky to do it. But, that isn't my only reasoning for knowing that bots will happen in Diablo 3.
The main reason for knowing such is that bots can made out of color recognition. This method is probably much much more tedious than something like developing a bot that can actually speak to Battle.net. I could, for example, make a script in under 10 minutes that would automatically use potions on D2 at any health level I decide, and even be smart about it (use red at 80%, use rejuv if at half, full rejuv if near death), without ever speaking to Battle.net.
This could be achieved by reading the colors on the screen. As the red globe falls, the program would recognize lost health whenever the red color it knew was supposed to be there, wasn't there anymore. It could then emulate a keyboard stroke to use potions, which the game would recognize as an actual keyboard stroke from the user.
This same method could be used to design a full bot, but to make one out of this would take a lot of work I imagine.
Nothing can stop them. They can only be hindered, but never stopped.|||
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Bot can be built to stay outside of the Bnet2 client and operate in its own separate virtual shell. Many of Diablo 2's current bots work the exact same way.
I've never used a bot for D2, but I do recall reading this before now that you mentioned it. Probably when you mentioned it before. This would probably be the easiest method.|||
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Well, bot will be put in game eventually, you just need to get them used to reading either color pallet/packet type/or generated block configurations. etc etc etc
Agreed with the above poster. Sadly, it will just be a matter of time. So the options are . . .
1. Play for fun with friends/others and don't get caught up in the economy of D3.
2. Get caught up in the economy and buy bot farmed goods in the RMAH so your character is up to par with everyone else attempting to accumulate in game wealth.
3. Attempt to get the best gear and up to par by spending countless hours playing/farming the game, while bots are running 24/7 out resourcing you at a 5:1 or better ratio.
I have to say, option 3 doesn't seem very appealing.
D2 is practically unplayable anymore, as the majority of games are bot run boss farming or level 1 bots spamming for sale websites.|||its just a matter of time but it'll be awhile, bots arnt going to have such a ez time like in d2 cuz character arnt going to be as powerful and lack teleport. bot will not only have to navagate the enviroment but also fight in many random encounters, so long as characters dont become overpowerd i think that a person can react to the game far better then any current bots ablity.
i guess it might not mean much if the bot dies a few times, but good luck botting hardcore
if anything bots wont be as efficient as they were in d2|||hahahha ignorant ppl :)
im 100% sure the first bots will be tested this comming beta...
and to make it even better. Blizzard wont do a thing..
you know why?? cuz every item is potentially more money for them.|||sooner or later there will be bots BUT
there is 2 Huge differences between the simple diablo 2/wow bots and the probably upcoming d3 bots
first of compared to d2 you will have a identity in battle.net2 and i think blizzard is smart enough to put some clauses to sue bot using people when caught really hard.
since they will be able to make offcial real money with the RMAH and always when there is real money involved you can get a lot of trouble with the law also bot users could get probably problems with the finance office and if the finance office is after you then its not funny anymore. moreover a caught botter can be BANNED forever with all games on his battlenet account so this would hurt the most people a loooooot, imagine you can never play a blizzard product online for lifetime.
second is simply the difficulty and speed of the game for example a bot will never acting as intelligent as a human when facing a random new situation so this is just a guess but the only ones who will be able to pull off working bots for d3 will be IT Companys. And if a IT company get caught for shady bot programming the image is gone and they would be ruined.
so overall D3 wont have full bot protection but will be very save against it.|||
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Well, bot will be put in game eventually, you just need to get them used to reading either color pallet/packet type/or generated block configurations.
Uneducated people who don't think there will be bots until battle.net 2's client is reverse engineered, which is wrong. Bot can be built to stay outside of the Bnet2 client and operate in its own separate virtual shell. Many of Diablo 2's current bots work the exact same way. However now people will build more advanced bots then D2's, I imagine they will spend time and effort into completely packet driven bots, it allows for much more efficient botting versus the coordinate recognition system the current bots are capable of.
Every day, bots become more human, I have yet to see a definitive answer.
How easy is it for Warden to spot that external virtual shell? Since I'd think the newer bots have to be more than just keyboard scripts, there would be more things for Warden to look for to determine whether it's a bot or not.
As the WoW people said at Gamescom, botting/gold farming is down across the board. It's way more lucrative/cost effective to just keylog/hack the end user accounts than try to mess w/ B.net/bots. I think that's going to be the biggest security problem for D3. Why go through all of the trouble to bot/dupe, when it's cheaper to phish morons?|||
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sooner or later there will be bots BUT
there is 2 Huge differences between the simple diablo 2/wow bots and the probably upcoming d3 bots
first of compared to d2 you will have a identity in battle.net2 and i think blizzard is smart enough to put some clauses to sue bot using people when caught really hard.
since they will be able to make offcial real money with the RMAH and always when there is real money involved you can get a lot of trouble with the law also bot users could get probably problems with the finance office and if the finance office is after you then its not funny anymore. moreover a caught botter can be BANNED forever with all games on his battlenet account so this would hurt the most people a loooooot, imagine you can never play a blizzard product online for lifetime.
second is simply the difficulty and speed of the game for example a bot will never acting as intelligent as a human when facing a random new situation so this is just a guess but the only ones who will be able to pull off working bots for d3 will be IT Companys. And if a IT company get caught for shady bot programming the image is gone and they would be ruined.
so overall D3 wont have full bot protection but will be very save against it.
So you really think they can fight the bots and not the farmers *hench RMAH*.
Isnt their slogan : if you cant beat them join em?|||
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Why go through all of the trouble to bot/dupe, when it's cheaper to phish morons?
i guess with security keys for the new battlenet accounts it will be muuuuuch harder to hack someone
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So you really think they can fight the bots and not the farmers *hench RMAH*.
Isnt their slogan : if you cant beat them join em?
im not sure if i understand you right but farming is not a illegal activity|||you guys are kind of lookign at this from the wrong angle..... making a functional bot that isnt detectable im sure will be possible, but to implement the bot succesfully is an entirely different story.
First off you are going to need a character overpowered enough off regular items to survive and farm items of any real value. Secondly without potions being useable such as in diablo 2, the bots going to have to be programmed to do some fairly complicated stuff to survive high level encounters. The lack of teleport as it was in d2 will also be a huge time sink for bots. then theres the basic updated security measures blizzard will be taking to ban and hinder bots.
There will be bots eventually im sure but there effectiveness is very questionable.|||
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hahahha ignorant ppl :)
im 100% sure the first bots will be tested this comming beta...
and to make it even better. Blizzard wont do a thing..
you know why?? cuz every item is potentially more money for them.
its called inflation... more bots more items less money per item it doesnt work out think about it economically|||
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There will be bots eventually im sure but there effectiveness is very questionable.
thats right i remember a programmer told me once long time ago
a hammerdin WITHOUT enigma is impossible to bot|||
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i guess with security keys for the new battlenet accounts it will be muuuuuch harder to hack someone
Not everyone has the authenticators. Also, the biggest hole in ANY computer security system is the stupidity/carelessne
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you guys are kind of lookign at this from the wrong angle..... making a functional bot that isnt detectable im sure will be possible, but to implement the bot succesfully is an entirely different story.
First off you are going to need a character overpowered enough off regular items to survive and farm items of any real value. Secondly without potions being useable such as in diablo 2, the bots going to have to be programmed to do some fairly complicated stuff to survive high level encounters. The lack of teleport as it was in d2 will also be a huge time sink for bots. then theres the basic updated security measures blizzard will be taking to ban and hinder bots.
There will be bots eventually im sure but there effectiveness is very questionable.
the only bot you could make is one that relies on macros/scripts. From what i've seen of D3, it will be impossible to do with any real value.
D2 worked because you could change sprite models. How are you going to change a 3d model? You'll have to inject into code. GL with that not being detected. Lets say you DO get around it. Now your RED monster will still be affected by lighting. Another problem.
Lets say you get around THAT...now how are you going to move your character through random terrain with a script? Well .. you can try the method in D2 where you teleport around the map in blocks, revealing sections and using an advanced algorithm to decided where you need to go and where you haven't....oh wait...the map reveal is going to be totally different (not done via blocks) and you wont have teleport.
Botting will not be a problem in D3. Any exe injection or packet reading will be instantly banned (as it was in D2), and any macro will just be worthless....
...assuming there is no static portion of the game accessible via WP. Even if it was, we have been told the static areas are small. Can you imagine a bot that would be forced to run tristram over and over again? lol. The valuable areas of the game will be hidden under complex dungeons. GL navigating that with a script, and then defeating the incredibly dynamic bosses.
As another poster said...the real problem will most likely be hacking.
|||If some part of the map are static, bot will exploit that easily
Remember Pindleskin in D2 ? That was the first place to bot
It's easy to bot those place with not a lot of work require
You can program a simple bot in Autoit with PixelSearch..
I except D3 to be more challenging to bot !|||
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If some part of the map are static, bot will exploit that easily
Remember Pindleskin in D2 ? That was the first place to bot
It's easy to bot those place with not a lot of work require
You can program a simple bot in Autoit with PixelSearch..
I except D3 to be more challenging to bot !
agreed. however, do you think they will have mobs like pindle in D3? We know there are some static areas, and I admit it is possible to script them.
However, pindle could be downed fairly easily with the right build...he didnt move fast, and again, in order to target him they needed to hack the models.
You can try making a script without targeting...but that would be unreliable, especially if mobs in D3 are faster and move around or dodge.
Botting is just not going to be as big a factor. Pindle was great...but it paled in comparison to having your hammerdin clean up in 2 minutes, taking down andy, trav, meph, shenk, pindle, baal, and diablo.|||
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its called inflation... more bots more items less money per item it doesnt work out think about it economically
hahah Blizzard would want the items cheapest possible, that way they get more transactions..|||
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hahah Blizzard would want the items cheapest possible, that way they get more transactions..
Until they get so cheap, nobody bothers to put them up for sale because they're only getting a few quarters out of it and it's not worth the risk of an auto post fee.
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