I have made my beta profile with the first system spec. uploader. Now, when was the update for D3 beta needed, I have canceled my beta profile because of this point.
I hope that means, that I disagree with the agreement for D3 beta even I have been in the pool before, right?
Thank you for reply|||I am not afraid of anything i do.
At worst my offences are calling stupid bastards names that hurt their feelings. This looks to be a communique that they will be monitoring fairly hard for cheaters. Im all game for that.|||I fully understand that Blizzard has to step on cheaters and hackers hard and I agree.
I belive, that they´ll be fairly.
I just feel with this term uncomfortable, thats the reason why canceled the beta profile and want to make it clear.|||Interesting.
I think everybody can understand it's for the good for the Diablo 3 economy and can help eliminate cheaters / botters / dupers / etc. Calling people newbies and dissing people in a fun, jokingly friendly manner won't be a problem cause everybody does it.
Really hope they have strict rules against cheaters / botters. Maybe a 3-strike and your out sorta thing. Temp ban. Something... anything.|||Taken out of context, it looks like some EA data mining scheme, but it's just standard beta legalese. You're not consenting to massive privacy intrusion. They're just monitoring in-game stuff which they already do with all their current games as well as monitoring their forums, which they also already do.|||
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Taken out of context, it looks like some EA data mining scheme, but it's just standard beta legalese. You're not consenting to massive privacy intrusion. They're just monitoring in-game stuff which they already do with all their current games as well as monitoring their forums, which they also already do.
It's funny, b/c EA does data mine your hard drive (or whatever partition Origin is installed on). Bioware swears up and down and left and right that if you buy a boxed copy of Star Wars: The Old Republic from a real brick and mortar store, you won't have to install Origin. What about patches? Guess we'll find out.|||I dont really understand the etc part.... anythign previous doesnt concern me as it all dervies from information you give to blizzard in game. Not some kind of well read your HD type %%!@.|||
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7. Consent to Monitor „Blizzard may monitor and record any and all communications, electronic or otherwise, pertaining to the Game including, without limitation, packets, chat, email, message board postings, etc.; “
I have made my beta profile with the first system spec. uploader. Now, when was the update for D3 beta needed, I have canceled my beta profile because of this point.
I hope that means, that I disagree with the agreement for D3 beta even I have been in the pool before, right?
Thank you for reply
The phrase "pertaining to the Game" is what makes this fairly innocuous. It is very different than Origin's EULA which lets them record everything you do outside of games and sell it to the highest bidder with your personal information still attached. People should be picketing EA headquarters for that.
Blizzard doesn't want to get sued and this is just a cover your butt sort of thing. Pretty much every online game has a similar statement in the EULA, as does Steam.
If you uncheck the settings on your account for opting in to betas you should be good.|||I applaud you for actually reading an EULA/ToS and taking a stand against something you aren't comfortable with. The world would be a much better place with more folks such as yourself in it.
Personally, when I see something like this, my only real question is: What function does this serve? Why is it there, what impact would it actually have on me?
If they want to monitor activity, and forcibly so to the point of adding it to an EULA, it's for "jurisdiction"
There's only two real things that Blizzard has brought people to court for--the WoW Glide bot, and large private servers that make a lot of money.
I would gather that what they learned from these two cases (as they damn near lost the bot case) is that they need to have this stuff be available to them by any means necessary.
But what about you or me? It's a "KYA" kind of thing if they had to take some kind of blanket action against a large group of players, such as a potential "rust storm" or mass bannings. They'd be able to use the information they gathered to back up their actions, and this is all especially important with the RMAH around the corner.
Personally, not something I'm worried about, but there's nothing wrong with perking an eyebrow up at it.
The reason I'm not worried about it is that I don't feel I will ever do anything that would, due to this EULA, leave me in an actionable position.
edit: Derp your entire point was that you had a question. You can feel free to take off the profile information which will exclude you from beta listings. There is also a way to exclude yourself; namely, checking off all three franchises in the "preferences"
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I applaud you for actually reading an EULA/ToS and taking a stand against something you aren't comfortable with. The world would be a much better place with more folks such as yourself in it.
I second this. Not many people actually read the EULAs and TOSs.
And this point says Blizzard can monitor and record the information. It does not say anything about releasing this information they have recorded. So don't opt in if you don't want Blizzard to have this information. But this point alone means they can't release the information to anyone cause it doesn't say anything about it.
I can't remember the rest of the TOS. I read it but my memory fails me. I'm sure you'd have pointed out if Blizzard said about releasing said gathered information to 3rd parties. From this it sounds like the information will be used for internal testing and other purposes. And is not allowed to be released to anyone outside of Blizzard.|||Thank you for your long and nice answers guys.
So the thing about the 3rd parties seems to be clear.
I´m still asking myself what exactly means: (A)„Blizzar
Mine questions by my unknowledge:
A: How will they know, what pertain to the game? They´ll be looking, or be able to look, on your all online activity (skype, social sites..) to see if you keep in secret the game pertaining things? They may monitor any and all communications - for examle, i´ll have videocall on skype with my wife, they are allowed to record this call?
B: Email.. How they´ll be able to check your email?
Give me some light please.
Thank you|||Here is an example. If you have Steam, you can start a popular game, say TF2, run task manager and see for yourself how Steam executable reads as much data as the game with an addition if its own data flow. So TF2 is being run from within Steam somehow which controls the application, prevents data spoofing (trainers) and other cheats and iirc is a part (if not the core) of Valve Anti-Cheat system.
So I guess it wouldn't be very wrong to expect D3 controlled by a superapplication that monitors all data flow that the game produces. It's like running a game from within a wrapper.
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